Intermorphic Forum

so ... this is a really simple noatikl question, which i'm unable to answer. i'm trying to be strict rhythmically, and i'm not getting why this isn't working ...

all i want is to construct a simple pattern in 3/8
<100 B 30 1 30 2 30 3>

i've set the meter for the pattern at 3/8

why do i get this pattern plus 1/8 of rest??? (4/8)

PS - this seems to work properly using 4 as the time signature denominator across all choices there. similarly, it doesn't work on any of the choices when using 8 as the denominator ...

Hi Jim,

It is late and I'm tired but will try to help..

A Meter of 3/8 means the rhythmic units you want are triplets from Noatikl's perspective, so you'd use this:

<100 B 20 1 20 2 20 3>

Hopefully that is what you want... looks right to me as I'm looking at it here - but as I said, I *am* tired!

Best wishes,

Pete

huh?
a pattern value of 30 = an eighth note, am i correct?
so 3 of those is a full measure of 3/8
when i make the pattern this:

<100 B 60 1 60 2 60 3>
that's a full measure of 3/4

something isn't translating for me ...

Hi Jim,

If you've set the meter for the piece to 3:8, that'd be 3 triplets per bar...?

A crotchet (quarter note) is 60 in Noatikl's pattern timebase.
A semiquaver (eight note) is 30 in Noatikl's pattern timebase.
A triplet is 20 in Noatikl's pattern timebase.
etc.

So, for one bar in 3:8, that'd be three triplets: or, three notes of Noatikl's "20 units long" measurement.

Hoping this helps?!

Best wishes,

Pete

hi pete

no it makes no sense at all to me. a measure of 3/8 consists of 3 eighth notes. not 3 triplets.

in 3/8, for instance, THIS should represent 2 eighth notes, plus 3 16th note triplets:
<100 R 30 30 10 10 10>

THIS should represent a quarter note plus an eighth:

<100 R 60 30>

similarly, in 3/4, for instance, THIS does in fact represent 2 quarter notes, plus 3 8th note triplets:
<100 R 60 60 20 20 20>

it works with /4 as the denominator. it does not with /8 as the denominator.

IMHO, there is something amiss with your database ...

earthmuse wrote: no it makes no sense at all to me. a measure of 3/8 consists of 3 eighth notes. not 3 triplets.

I agree with earthmuse that 3/8 means 3 eighth notes per bar. (You could call this one triplet per bar.)

But I think most people would use a standard 3/4 time signature and double the tempo to notate the same music.

pete, can you please look into a fix for this? i'm guessing it shouldn't be that bad??

(You could call this one triplet per bar.)

i'm not even sure what you're saying here .. can you expand on that?

earthmuse wrote:

(You could call this one triplet per bar.)

i'm not even sure what you're saying here .. can you expand on that?

I was responding to Pete's answer which mentioned triplets. You have a time signature of 3/8 with 3 eighth notes to the bar. If you wanted to notate this as triplets and have an equivalent result, you could change to the weird time signature of 1/4 and have one eight note triplet per bar. While this is technically true, no one does an entire piece in 1/4. It is used for adding in extra beats here or there.

thanks for that ...
point is, triplets have nothing to do with the question, or the issue, don't you think?

if you just separately program these patterns as i first submitted, set meter to 3/8, and listen, you'll know that something is wrong in the execution of a 3/8 measure

alternatively, if you program 3 quarter notes in 3/4, set the meter to 3/4, and listen, you'll hear that it works perfectly.

all i'm requesting is a fix, and i don't waant to believe that it should be a major one??

earthmuse wrote: point is, triplets have nothing to do with the question, or the issue, don't you think?

Right. There was some confusion in terminology. You are already in a triple meter of 3/8 so you don't need triplets.

earthmuse wrote: alternatively, if you program 3 quarter notes in 3/4, set the meter to 3/4, and listen, you'll hear that it works perfectly.

So a workaround could be 3 quarter notes in 3/4 with the tempo doubled.

Also have you tried Pete's original suggestion?: <100 B 20 1 20 2 20 3>. I have not but I am wondering if it gives the desired result.

Regards,
Mike

mike

i dont really think there is a need for a workaround, rather than a FIX. the pattern database is flawed. period. i don't want to double the tempo. i want these two patterns to perform the same:

3/4 meter
<100 R 60 60 60>

and

3/8 meter
<100 R 30 30 30>

i don't think that's a big deal

but i can't accept programming the latter
and coming up basically with a 4/8 result ...